洪 民憙 (Hong Minhee) :nonbinary:'s avatar
洪 民憙 (Hong Minhee) :nonbinary:

@hongminhee@hollo.social

My spouse still uses X heavily. They don't like Elon Musk either, but they check in on the fediverse occasionally and always come back saying the same thing: it feels like a space only for software engineers.

They're right, and I don't have a good answer for it.

You can say it's network effects, and that's part of it. But that still doesn't explain why the place feels closed off even when people do try it. X has an algorithm that surfaces content from people you don't follow, so even if you open it at random, there's always some shared background chatter: memes, game reactions, celebrity nonsense, whatever people are mad about that day. The fediverse has none of that. You see what the people you've deliberately followed have posted. So when non-technical people do show up, they often land in silence. And a lot of what they do see is fediverse talk, Linux talk, ActivityPub talk. Which is fine for me—I spend most of my waking hours thinking about ActivityPub—but I can see why it would feel alienating to someone who just wants to talk about films or cooking or K-dramas.

Then I look at Japan and think maybe this isn't impossible after all. Misskey and its forks developed a culture that pulled in illustrators, anime fans, people who had no interest in self-hosting or federation protocols. The reactions help. Some instances feel playful instead of dutiful. That seems to matter. I'm not sure exactly what made that work, or whether anyone could build that on purpose.

This feels especially hard in Korean. The pool is smaller, and communities like K-pop fandoms or webtoon readers have so much gravity on X that there's no obvious reason for them to leave. And even if some of them did, discovery is broken enough that they might not find each other in time—enough people that the place stops feeling empty.

When my spouse says the fediverse feels like it's for software engineers, I mostly just sit there, because I don't know how to tell them they're wrong.

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@notyourfanboy@kolektiva.social · Reply to 洪 民憙 (Hong Minhee) :nonbinary:'s post

@hongminhee
They are wrong, because they haven't put in the work on their timeline.

I have little to no chatter on my timeline about coding. Because I don't follow those folks.

If someone wants to be lazy and go to the Nazi bar, that's not on mastodon.

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@fasnix@fe.disroot.org · Reply to 洪 民憙 (Hong Minhee) :nonbinary:'s post

@hongminhee
Hm, have they tried to also follow hashtags about interesting topics?

Following fedi-accounts is not just about people to follow directly, but also following topics.

There are sooo many people here that are no software engineers, but artists, musicians, authors, hikers, and many more.

@FediTips just posted about accounts that post MicroFiction (search the hashtag, if interested.

Imho the fediverse *is* diverse, if you search for topics you're interested in.

Just try it :)
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@reiver@mastodon.social · Reply to 洪 民憙 (Hong Minhee) :nonbinary:'s post

@hongminhee

X has a lot of momentum because of its Twitter heritage.

Some communities still only exist there (in significant numbers).

Although some communities died and never formed anywhere else.

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@migratory@jorts.horse · Reply to 洪 民憙 (Hong Minhee) :nonbinary:'s post

@hongminhee the way to fix this is through adversarial compatibility: make fedi clients that extend twitter, crosspost, and allow you to follow both users on twitter and on the rest of fedi. then these clients are strictly more powerful than twitter alone, giving an incentive to switch while subverting the network effect

of course, this breaks the twitter ToS and isn't "ideologically pure", so lots of fedi advocates will be too scared to do it